Family A033
This family is represented by Suzanne Davis, Barbara Roden and Jennifer Weir, each having their own family file posted on the Internet. Their oldest known ancestors are brothers, David and John Adams and are believed to have originated from PA eventually migrating to OH, IL, IA and NE.
From Barbara Roden Family File: Roden / Hainline Family
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=:2468927&recno=18
From Suzanne Davis Family File: Adams / Bendorf / Meidlinger, Wheeler, Donley
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=:2415509&recno=0
From Jennifer Weir Family File: Clark – Johnson – Root – Weir
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=:3158998&recno=90
http://alum.wpi.edu/~skwirl/Roots/Moore%20FamilyGroup/FG_TOC.htm
Generation 1a – David Adams
(b. 1788 PA – d. 1870 IA)
Married to – Virginia Jane Caruthers/Crothers (b. 1790 PA – d. 1867 IA)
Much of what we know of David Adams (1788-1884) comes from a Sketch in a book published in 1883 called, “History of Hardin County, Iowa, Together with Sketches of Its Towns, Villages and Townships, Educational, Civil, Military and Political History; Portraits of Prominent Persons, and Biographies of Representative Citizens: History of Iowa, Embracing Accounts of the Prehistoric Races, and a Brief Review of Its Civil, Political and Military History” on page 925 in a section on Union Township.
J. Q. Adams, who is among the oldest settlers of Hardin county, was born in Hamilton county, Ohio, on the 20th day of June, 1820. His parents were David and Jane (Caruthers) Adams, father of Irish and mother of Scotch descent. Her grandfather was a soldier in the Revolutionary war, and served seven years. He was honorably discharged, and lived to be nearly one hundred years old. When ninety-nine he made a speech at a Fourth of July celebration. In 1839 his father emigrated to Warren county, Illinois, where he remained until 1854, when he came to Hardin county, and settled on the farm where Gifford now stands. Mrs. Adams died in 1870, and Mr. Adams in 1874. They were members of the Presbyterian Church. The subject of this sketch was reared on a farm and received a liberal education. In the fall of 1844 he went to Galena, Illinois, at the time of the great mineral excitement, where he married Jane Patterson, a widow of Dr. James Armstrong. Mr. and Mrs. Adams have been blessed with eight children, six of whom are living — Louisa, Nellie, Edmund, William P., John W. and Lewis. In about 1854 he came to Hardin county, where he engaged in farming near Gifford. In 1862 he sold his farm and purchased land in Grundy county, and in 1882 engaged in the livery business. In April, 1882, his first stable was burned to the ground, nine horses perishing in the flames, besides buggies and harness, being a heavy loss. He is at present doing a good business.
David Adams and Jane Carothers are burried in teh Xenia Celetery, Gifford, Hardin County, Iowa. Engraved on stone: Jane Wife of David Adams Died Dec 1, 1867 aged 77 y & 11 mo. David Adams Died Mar (9?) 1870 aged 82 y & 11 ms.
Children:
- Polly (Mary) Adams Married: Alex Johnson
- Nancy Ann Adams (1817 VA -1891 OH) Married: Elzy Barton
- John Q. Adams (1820 OH – 1895 IA) Married: Jane Patterson (1821-1889) buried in Liscomb, Marshll County, Iowa
- William Adams (1823 OH – 1913 MN) Married: Susan Nancy Talbott / Jemimah
McLeland - Eliza Jane Adams (1824 OH – 1884 IA) Married: John Moore – Story on John Moore and Eliza Jane Adams.
- David Adams (Apr. 1828 OH – 13 Nov. 1922) Married: Lucy Coleman (1837 -1907) – Buried in Liscomb Cememtery, Marshall County Iowa.
- James Crothers Adams (1830 OH – 1919 IA) Married: Sarah Ann Peggett / Lydia ?
- Riley Adams (1832 OH – 1911 IA) Married: Catherine Karnes (1838-1929) – Story on Riley Adams and Catherin Karnes
- Charity R. Adams (1836 OH – ?) Married: Ebenezer Wilcox – Story on Ebenezer Wilcox and Charity R Adams
Notes for David Adams
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013, David Scifres wrote:
1810 Federal Census
The 1810 Census has ONLY ONE listing for David Adams age 16-25 and wife 16-25 in Pennsylvania. It also contains a female 45 and over in Washington, Franklin County, Pennsylvania. This may or may not be him, but the listing is the right age for sure.
There is an Alice Carothers whose will written in 1804 mentions a daughter Jane Carothers. Alice dies in 1811 (I need to double check this she may have died in 1804) and the will is executed and proven. Is it possible this is Jane wife of David Adams? And this is Alice Carothers is living with the David Adams in the 1810 census referenced above?
1820 Federal Census
In the 1820 Census there is only one David Adams in Hamilton County, Ohio. There no doubt this census record is David Adams of Family A033. He was living in Mill Creek, Hamilton County, Ohio just outside present day Cincinnati. The sketch, on John Q. Adams (son of David Adams), written in 1883 states he was born 29th of June 1820 in Hamilton County Ohio. Since the date and location in the sketch is first hand and there is only one David Adams in Hamilton County, Ohio in 1820, it is clear it is him.
Family information from 1820 Census.
- 3 males under 10
- 1 male 26-44 – David Adams was 32 in 1820 – Perfect fit
- 3 females under 10
- 1 female 26-44 – Right age to be Jane Caruthers – Jane and David have six children under 10 by 1820 therefore Jane was probably born ca. 1790 (and the 1850 census lists her as 60). She appears to have had children from approx 1810 to 1836 (based on this census record and the family info above).
Where did David and Jane move from Mill Creek, Ohio? They are not there in 1830. Where did they go prior to moving to Warren Illinois in 1839. And where did he come from? – or how did he come? Did he flat boat to Cincinnati and the move north inland and eventually west to Illinois? Or did he come from western Ohio via trails.
1830 Federal Census
By process of elimination there are only a few options for David Adams (1788-1874) of Family A033. There are only 14 David Adams in all of Ohio in 1830 Federal Census. Only 5 of the 14 have enough children close to the right ages to be the one we want. And only 1 of those seem to be a compelling match. We know he was still in Ohio until 1836 as the last child of this family is listed as being born in Ohio and he is documented as being in Illinois by 1839. We also know he had 6 children prior to 1820 – 3 boys and 3 girls and is documented as having another 6 or 7 depending on where you count the one born in 1820 after 1820. So he had 12-13 children total.
Below are the five David Adams matches with close to enough children living in Ohio in 1830 and only one is a perfect match but the geographical proximity to the 1820. census listing makes it suspect to me.
- David Adams of Austintown, Trumbull, Ohio – 9 in household – The husband and wife ages match and the children match but on the complete opposite side of the state in the far north east. These children match up pretty darn well as 3 of the 12/13 are born in 1830 or later. Why would he be there now?
- David Adams of Bainbridge, Ross, Ohio – 12 Persons total and the only Census listing with a male age 40-49 (David was 42 years old at the time). But there is a problem with this listing as there are 2 females 20-29 and that is the oldest women. Where is his wife?
- David Adams of Deerfield, Warren County – 6 Persons in Family. Deerfield is just outside Cincinnati adjacent to Hamilton County where John Q his was born. But not enough you boys and he is too young being age 30-39. Should have 3 boys under 10. The wife is the right age.
- David Adams of Pleasent, Fairfield County – 7 in Household – seems to far away from Hamilton County to be relevant. Too young being age 30-39. Not enough boys under 10. There should be at least 3.
- David Adams of Center, Guernsey, Ohio – 7 in Household. Seems too far away to be relevant. Has the correct number of boys but no girls under 10 and David is too young being age 30-39.
BTW there is a David Adams in Knox County but he was only 20-29 in the 1830 Census – can’t be him. Knox County, Ohio is out in my opinion.
So where are they?? It could be they went to KY as Becky has suggested, I’ll check that. I’m also thinking the only David Adams in 1830 in Ohio that he could be is the Austintown, Trumbull. It is a perfect match. I just don’t understand why he is all the way up there. I checked the 1840 census in Trumbell County, Ohio and there is no match in 1840 but there is a younger David Adams left behind.
One other possibility is that he was already in Illinois or Indiana by 1830 – not sure when records start there – maybe he is in Parke Indiana if we are lucky. I’ll check that too.
There is no match for David Adams close to his age and household makeup in Indiana. There were two possible matches in KY
- Kentucky – David Adams in Henry Kentucky – Aged 40-49. – 9 Persons. But no wife. Probably not him.
- Kentucky – David Adams in Greenup, Kentucky – Aged 40-49 – 13 persons. This is a possible candidate as it is along the Ohio River. He may have gone down the Ohio via Steamboat and then back up the Mississippi river to make his way to Union, Illinois. And this David Adams is gone in 1840.
1840 Federal Census
David Adams in Union, Illinois age 50-59 wife age 40-49 – 6 in household. Is this him?
1850 Federal Census
The 1850 U.S. census shows David and Jane living in town #120, Warren County, Illinois, near John and Eliza (Adams) Moore and a number of other Adams. Their household consisted of David and Jane (62 and 60), James S. (21), Riley (18), and Charity R. (17), and John (24), Margaret (26), and Andrew (1) Bowman [probably another daughter and her family]. David, James, and Riley were listed as farmers, and John was a carpenter. David had $600 in real estate. David, Jane, and John were born in Pennsylvania; James, Riley, Charity and Margaret were born in Ohio; and Andrew was born in Illinois.
There are a number of other Adams and a James Carothers age 35 from PA on the same page of the 1850 census.
If we plot all the Census listings, you get the migration path below. It is important to remember that point A, we are not 100% positive it is him, nor point C. But both A and C ages and household members appear to be correct.
.In 1854, David and Jane settled in Hardin County, Iowa. They were members of the Presbyterian Church.
Sources: “History of Hardin County, Iowa” (1883) – Union Township, biographies of John Moore and J. Q. Adams; 1850 U.S. census; records of Xenia Cemetery, Eldora, Iowa, updated 1999 (via USGENWEB)
Notes for Jane Caruthers
Jane was of Scotch descent. Her grandfather served for seven years as a soldier in the Revolutionary War. He lived to be nearly 100 years old, and “when ninety-nine he made a speech at a Fourth of July celebration.”
Sources: “History of Hardin County, Iowa” (1883) – Union Township, biography of J. Q. Adams; 1850 U.S. census of Warren County, Illinois; records of Xenia Cemetery, Eldora, Iowa, updated 1999 (via USGENWEB)
Generation 1b – John Adams
(b. 1791 PA – d. after 1850 poss. IL)
Married to – Mary Donley (b. 1788 PA – d. ?)
1 Elizabeth Jane Adams (?) Married: ?
2 Quitman Adams (?) Married: ?
3 William Adams (1819 PA – 1891 IA) Married: Nancy Jean Milligan (1820-1852) / Lucretia Wheeler (1831-1863) / Irena Easter Kilgore (1835-1916) – NOTE: has son named James Riley Adams (by Lucretia Wheeler)
4 John Adams (1821 PA – ? IA) Married: ?
5 Henry H. Adams (1824 PA – 1907 NE) Married: Martha Ann Wheeler
Note: It is believed that David Adams and John Adams are brothers hence from the same generation.
William Adams son of John Adams, was born in Washington County in 1819 and then moved to Wheeling West Virginia. In 1835 moved to County Ill. So John Adams should be listed din Washington County Federal Census in 1820.
1820 Federal Census Listings for Washington County PA
- John Adams in Hopewell, Washington County, Pennsylvania – 10 in household. Husband 45 or older and Wife 26-44. Too old if John was born in 1791.
- John Adams in Cross Creek, Washington County, Pennsylvania – 7 in household. Husband and wife 45 or older. Too old if John was born in 1791.
- John Adams in Amwell, Washington County, Pennsylvania – 5 in household. Appears to be a houshold without a father. But could be husband and wife 16-25 with a Female 45 and older. There should be at least one boy under 5 ( William)
If John is indeed in Washington he must be either older or younger than listed or living with another Adams.
1830 Federal Census Listings around Wheeling and Wellsburg
- John Adams in Smithfield, Jefferson, Ohio – 6 in household. Male and female 30-39 with 1 male 10-14, 2 females under 5 and 1 age 5-9.
This may just be why David Adams (1788-1870) seems to have migrated back north and west in the 1830 census listing.
Additional Notes:
David Scifres 10-22-2013- To Suzanne, TIme, Terri and BEcky
I was checking out the 1820 Census for David Adams in Washington Township, Miami County, Ohio. I think I have found Suzanne’s David Adams (1788-1870) as well as his brother John Adams’ wife Mary Donely (or perhaps her mother, both or her mother and a sister). It seems it is a mother and daughter with no husband 1 female 26-44 (Mary would have been 32 at this time) and 1 female over 45. Is it possible Mary Donally is a second wife? Or it could be her mother and sister and Mary is still in Washington County PA with John Adams.
On the census record, Mary Donally in Piqua, Washington Township, Miami County list on the SAME PAGE as David Adams!!!! As well as Thomas Adams, Halbert Adams, Joseph Adams, John and David CLark on the second page.
The David Adams in Miami of Ohio appears to be the right age to be Suzanne’s David Adams (1788-1867). And the Children fit pretty darn close as well. In fact, in double checking my previous work, I just realized the David Adams in Hamilton County has far too many children (3 boys and 3 girls) in 1820 so . . . . needless to say the Washington, Miami County, David is a closer match but presents other questions as well. I can’t believe I missed this before.
For Suzanne’s family I’ve been focusing on David Adams because he married Jane Caruthers and that led me to Greenfield, Highland County, Ohio because, Robert Adams and Martha Eleanor Clark had children with Crothers as a middle name. Well, turns out as we have learned, they were descendants of all the Adams in Toboyne, Cumberland PA and are listed as person 2 on the very bottom of page 258 in the Clark book I sent you. Their find grave entry is here: http://www.findagrave.
However, It appears that Suzanne’s John Adams (1791-d aft 1850) was still in Washington County, PA on Jan 6th 1819 according to the typed notes on her page (http://adamsfamilydna.com/
on Tue, Apr. 16, 2013, David Scifres wrote:
There is a William Adams, 94 years old, living with a Samuel Donlay in East Finley, Washington County on June 1st 1840 – he is listed as a Rev War pensioner.
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013, David Scifres wrote:
Check this cluster out:
This is in Washington County before it was Washington county. They are still there in 1785 and 1786.
- William Adams – 1781 Tax List in Straban. 300 acres – one horse and 1 cow
- Widow Adams – 1781 Tax List in Straban. 300 acres – 2 horses and 2 cows
- John Adams – 1781 Tax List in Straban. 400 acres.
- David Adams – 1781 Tax List in Straban. David is a single man.
- John DONALY – 1781 Tax List Straban. 100 acres – 3 horses and 1 cow.
I found some deed book entries we should check out related to the cluster above on this website about the Virgin Family. This important because it ties a David Adams in Franklin County to the Strabane Township Adams cluster.
http://chartiers.com/raybell/
This is the story of Jeremiah Virgin and his sons: Reason, Brice, John, Thomas, who lived in what is now South Franklin Township between 1774, when Reason made a settlement and 1788, when Brice was last taxed on Chartiers Creek. The area where they lived was near the point where Monongalia, Ohio and Yohogania Counties, Virginia came together (formed 1776). It was also at the boundary between Amwell and Strabane Townships (formed 1781).
1786 – Jun 20 – Reason Virgin sold land to David Adams of Franklin Co, Pa Deed Bk C 90
Reason Virgin bought 2 slaves from David Adams Deed Bk C 97
These deeds need to be reviewed
Reason Virgin, of Fayette County, located a tract of land, for which he received a Virginia certificate June 22, 1780, which was surveyed November 13th the same year as “Virgin Dove,” containing four hundred acres, adjoining lands of Daniel Leet and John Brownlee. Patent was issued March 2, 1786. The tract was divided into two tracts; the one on the north side, containing one hundred and fifty-seven acres, was sold June 20, 1786, to David Adams, who three years later sold to James Ross, who had purchased the south part, containing two hundred and forty-three acres, June 25, 1787. Brice Virgin resided in 1784 on a tact which he had taken up, and for which he had received a Virginia certificate. On the 7th of August, 1784, he sold two hundred acres of it to James Wilson, and on the 12th of July the next year sold the remainder, viz., “all that tract whereon I now live,” to Reason Virgin. This land is now mostly owned by the Brownlees and Ramseys.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013, David Scifres <david@scifres.com> wrote:
Suzanne sent me information yesterday that led to the find below. I’m not sure I agree with this information 100% as some of the information in that lead is from somebody else who supplied it with no documentation – and assumes the David buried in Xenia Cemetery is the son. This person has him in Knox, Co. Ohio. I don’t believe he was in Knox County, Ohio based on a census data analysis of the 1830 census – but I will recheck this analysis. That said, it doesn’t make the rest of this information wrong – it is just undocumented. It sure would be nice to find evidence as proof. However, geographically speaking my opinion is that it seems very reasonable this David Adams (1760-1847) is connected and/or direct.
David Adams (11 Sep. 1760 – 29th Dec 1847)
Burial: Pisgah United Methodist Church Cemetery Shermans Dale, Perry County Pennsylvania, USA. Stone reads:In memory of David Adams who departed this life December the 29th A.D. 1847. Aged 87 years, 3 mon, & 18 days
On Fri, Mar 8, David Scifres <david@scifres.com> wrote:
Since we know David Adams was in Mill Creek, Hamilton, Ohio. I thought I’d check it out. There was a John Adams there chasing off Indians in 1791.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013, David Scifres wrote:
Harvey Adams – Buried in Rockville – Parke County, Indiana
Born 6 Jul 1825 – BORN IN OHIO
Died 3 Apr 1904
Son of Phillip and Mary (Chestnut) Adams – I believe Phillip Adams has a will in Cumberland or Franklin – I don’t have my notebook with me but will check later today.
Wife Eliza Ann Carothers (1826-1912)
Children: Albert M. Adams (1858-1912) – The other family I sent you in Ohio is also filled with Alberts – (we think for Halbert of Toboyne originally)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-
I need to bounce this against the tree I am building for the Carothers/Adams in Greenfield, Highland County, Ohio.
http://trees.ancestry.com/
The Parke County cemetery has several other Adams – One of the oldest is a William Greer Adams (1777-1851). I sure would like to know if it is really Greer or Green – I’d like to see the stone for myself for Becky’s sake.
Taken from 2005 e-mail from Suzanne Davis to Tim Adams re: family synopsis:
John (1790) and David (1788) both were born in Pennsylvania by family record. David has documentation of birth 04 Mar 1788 PA and death 09 Mar 1870 at Eldora, Hardin County, Iowa. Both traveled west from PA sometime after 1824 and before 1844. They traveled with their children. Along the way, some of these children married and had children so we know they traveled Ohio, Indiana, Illinois then Iowa. The last records I can find of John Adams are in Illinois 1850 census with his wife Mary and son John Jr. born 1822. His other children (Henry H. b. 1824 PA) and (William b. 06 Jan 1819 PA) moved to Iowa around around 1854 and eventually settled in and near Osceola, Clark County, Iowa. William lived out his life there dying 07 Apr 1891. He married three times and the Iowa cemetery listings have his last two wives listed. My 3rd great grandfather, Henry H. Adams served in the Civil War with his nephews in the 18th Iowa Infantry. He mustered out 20 July 1865 and homesteaded after the war in New Era Township, Furnas County, Nebraska. He lived out his days there and died 27 Feb 1906. I have some communication with both David’s and William’s descendants.
Barbara Roden is also a cousin. She obtained much of her information from me. She is descended from David Adams (1788) and Virginia Jane Caruthers. Her family ended up in Beaver City, Furnas County, Nebraska and then like mine moved back east just a little to Omaha, Douglas County, Nebraska. Check out the names carefully on her side and you will see the repetition to which you referred. Most of the families had William, David, John, Robert and James. There is also a Almus A. (not Amos) which many have confused him with. This name is significant because he supposedly wrote the family history. I have not been able to find this anywhere.
That aside, I will tell you that the last David listed on Barbara’s site hasn’t been documented and Barbara said her aunt added him, but she can’t get him off. Suzanne said that her father was also named David and that she was one of ten children. She is married to Mark Davis.
Taken from 2006 e-mail from Suzanne to Tim re: Washington County, PA:
I have no record of which township they came from. One thing I do know is that Washington County wasn’t formed until around 1790 from Westmoreland County. In the 1850 census for Warren County, Illinois it states that John is a farmer and son John Jr. a carpenter. The value of his land is $200.00. (brother David and his son William are enumerated on the same page as are other relatives, the Whitehorns are on the next page. I have no records beyond that for him and I don’t really have much more before that. I’ll try and find the article that mentions John and Mary as David’s parents.
My great Aunt Georgia Adams Murphy is the one who stated that the Adams may have at one time been McAdams. I have no absolute proof that this is true. One McAdams researcher said that many McAdams wrote their names as John MC Adams for example upon arrival and that’s when the MC was lost. And that many came through Ireland in route to the colonies. Some were ‘encouraged’ to immigrate to Ireland to settle the land with Protestants. Janet Mcadams found a link with a Gilbert McAdams with children whose names and dates were similar to this bunch.
From Suzanne re: her family coming from Washington Co. PA / Westmoreland County:
My Henry Adams (1824) was supposedly born in WashingtonCounty which was part of Westmoreland County until 1781. As a matter of fact, Westmoreland was the only county west of the Allegany Mountains for a bit. According to 1850 census his father John (1791) was also born in Pennsylvania, but I have not determined where or his father’s name either (although there are many who think they may have, I never seen a documented trail yet). There are 2 locations on the net regarding Henry’s brother Williams birth location -Washington County and West Virginia. All of his census records state Pennsylvania, so I tend to believe family record( PA). FYI, the notes regarding the Lindsay’s and Taylors, they are related to us, I’m just not sure on how far back all those relationships go. I was looking at the 1790 Pennsylvania census for Adams and came across a Henry in Monaghan Township. Here’s a nice snippet. It’s in York County
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Other notes
6/7/2014 Scifres.com Mail – Clark/Adams Book
Clark/Adams Book
5 messages
Timothy Adams <> Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:50 AM
To: David Scifres <>
Cc: Suzanne Davis <>
David…I forgot to mention that there is a new edition of the Clark/Adams book
and it cost ~$50 bucks. Do you think it may have updated data? I’m still
concerned over the vast discrepancy in dates…i.e. Ephraim’s family in
Ohio….almost 2 generations away from the dates in the book. In the book it
implies there is an 1850 census for Ephraim Adams Sr. but I find no such
census…only his children.
One tedious exercise that needs to be done is to create a census analysis for some
of the key players and jot down the date ranges of each of their children from
census records pre-dating1850. That always helps in finding individuals…just a
thought. I may do that as time permits.
Tim
David Scifres <> Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 9:25 PM
To: Timothy Adams <>, Suzanne Davis <>, Terri Adams <>, Becky Carson <>
My children hijacked most of my day but I have spent an hour or two looking at all this new information and it is
like eating an elephant. I would not worry about an updated edition of that book.
Here is what I would be focusing right now for you.
On Page 260 at the top there is an entry for a James Adams born 1817 that is a good prospect for you in
particular because they went to Shelby Ohio which isn’t so far removed from Stark. This would make
Ephraim Adams born April 29, 1777 the father of your James. I’ll review the date issues you mention and
give you my thoughts.
Also on the same Page Thomas Adams born between 1740 and 1750 – the story in that section talks
about a mass migration from Perry County PA to Highland County Ohio in October of 1814 and then
on Miami County (in spring of 1815) of a bunch of Adams/Clarks/Murray. Second to last paragraph, In
1820 there is a David Adams also in that county. Could this be a son of Thomas? This David Adams could
easily have been the father of your James or any other male children of this Thomas Adams on page 260.
On Page 263 – F James Alexander Adams born 1772 could be the father of your James.
I’d go back to any census and see if there are McKee, McIntire, Clark, Blaine or Marrow living along side your James.
BTW according page 478 of History of Washington County PA, it appears Washington township was founded in
1789 by John Adams among lots of others and some of the earliest settlers in Chartiers Valley (which would
become Washington Township) were Ehpriam Blaine in 1770 who was Sheriff – Ehpraim Blaine is the uncle who
raises Halbert Adams (wife Agnes Blaine) boys after he dies at the battle of Crooked Bullet. So, we are seeing
the connection of the Adams in Toboyne to the Adams/Blaine in Washington PA. This is of course where Terri’s
family moved from Chambersburg between 1790 and 1795 along with my ancestors as well.
OF the three Adams Orphans raised by Ehpraim Blaine, James the oldest stays in TOboyne. The other two
migrate to Ohio moving past Washington County PA, Robert (buried in Highland) and Ephraim Adams go to Ohio
(in 1833 to Shelby County and some of his children end up in Iowa)
For Suzanne her connection is most likely in the group that ends up in Highland, Greenfield, ROss and Fayette
especially given the Adams/Crothers connection in HIghland (this is the children of Orphan Robert above) and its
proximity to Hamilton Ohio where Suzanne’s oldest is know to have been by 1820. So, he may have come with
the others in 1814 as well. I’d also suggest the Adams in Miami, Ohio as well give we know that pack hit both
Highland and Miami.
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David Scifres
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Timothy Adams <> Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:16 AM
To: David Scifres <>
Cc: Terri and Robert Adams <>, Suzanne Davis <>, Becky Carson
David,
Thx for your comments. I spent the entire day yesterday trying to begin a family tree of the
Clark/Adams families. I got so frustrated with the way the author presented the data I wanted to
blow my brains out. I’ve never seen such a disorganized and discombobulated piece of writing. I still
haven’t been able to figure out the relationship between the 3 Robert Adams. I’m beginning to
think that the author is nutsJ…I certainly am for trying to unscramble the mess. I’ll go back to it
later in the day. If I ever finish it I’ll send everyone a gedcom file so you will have an excuse for
drinking.
Peace,
Tim, my brother Tim, and his brother Tim who is a cousin to Tim
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David Scifres Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:54 AM
To: Timothy Adams <>
Cc: Terri and Robert Adams <>, Suzanne Davis <>, Becky Carson
<>
I’ll give you a call today to discuss. I think the Orphan children of Halbert Adams that are raised by Ehpriam
Blaine (after Halbert is killed at Crooked Bullet) are the most likely Adams for Suzanne and you. If you have time
go in to FamilyTreeDNA and run a 67 marker DNA match – I’d like to know how many mutations you are removed
from both Suzanne and Terri. I know how far you are from me, but I think you may be 2 mutations closer to
Suzanne and maybe Terri.
I’ve still have no idea how my John Adams fits in but I’m having fun and feel like we are getting hotter on the trail
for you and Suzanne.
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David Scifres <> Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 8:52 PM
To: Timothy Adams <>, Suzanne Davis <>, Terri Adams <>, Becky Carson <>
Holy crap!!! I think I just made a breakthrough.
I was checking out the 1820 Census for David Adams in Washington Township, Miami County, Ohio. I think I
have found Suzanne’s David Adams (1788-1870) as well as his brother John Adams’s wife Mary Donely
(or perhaps her mother, both or her mother and a sister). It seems it is a mother and daughter with no
husband 1 female 26-44 (Mary would have been 32 at this time) and 1 female over 45. Is it possible Mary Donally
is a second wife? Or it could be her mother and sister and Mary is still in Washington County PA with John
Adams.
On the census record, Mary Donally in Piqua, Washington Township, Miami County list on the SAME PAGE as
David Adams!!!! As well as Thomas Adams, Halbert Adams, Joseph Adams, John and David CLark on the
second page.
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=
Mary&gsln=Donally&msydy=1820&msypn__ftp=Miami+County%2c+Ohio%2c+USA&msypn=2009&msypn_
PInfo=7-|0|1652393|0|2|3247|38|0|2009|0|0|&cpxt=0&catBucket=rstp&uidh=eb5&cp=0&
pcat=CEN_1820&h=93225&recoff=7+8&db=1820usfedcenancestry&indiv=1&ml_rpos=1
The David Adams in Miami of Ohio appears to be the right age to be Suzanne’s David Adams (1788-1867). And
the Children fit pretty darn close as well. In fact, in double checking my previous work, I just realized the David
Adams in Hamilton County has far too many children (3 boys and 3 girls) in 1820 so . . . . needless to say the
Washington, Miami County, David is a closer match but presents other questions as well. I can’t believe I missed
this before.
For Suzanne’s family I’ve been focusing on David Adams because he married Jane Caruthers and that led me to
Greenfield, Highland County, Ohio because, Robert Adams and Martha Eleanor Clark had children with Crothers
as a middle name. Well, turns out as we have learned, they were descendants of all the Adams in Toboyne,
Cumberland PA and are listed as person 2 on the very bottom of page 258 in the Clark book I sent you. Their
find grave entry is here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=10161749 –
Well, the Clarks, Marrow, Murray and Adams, as evidence by the story on page 260 of the Clark book, migrated
in mass of 40 some odd people to Hamilton county in October of 1814 and on to Miami county in Spring of 1815.
I didn’t expect to find Mary Donely/Donally there at all but yet there she is.
However, It appears that Suzanne’s John Adams (1791-d aft 1850) was still in Washington County, PA on Jan 6th
1819 according to the typed notes on her page (http://adamsfamilydna.com/family-group-33/family-a033/). Could
this have really been Washington Township, Miami, Ohio? Weird right. It is either that or Mary Donally was with
John in Washington County, PA and her mother was already in Miami of Ohio with her sister and a bunch of
other Adams. Adams whose Children had Crothers as a middle name – coincidence? I think not!!
David Adams, the right age one to be Suzanne’s is gone from Miami of Ohio by 1830 but there is a younger David
Adams who stays in Miami in the 1830 census record.
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DS – March 7th 2013
RULING ELDERS OF THE SILVER SPRINGS PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH SINCE ITS FOUNDATION. - Page 66 http://ia700305.us.archive.org/14/items/ exercisesincomme00schu/ exercisesincomme00schu.pdf Elders in 1814. James Gregory, Win. Mateer, Benjamin Anderson. William Bryson. Thomas Fisher. Andrew Carothers. William Orr. James Griffen. John Clenendin. James Graham. John Culbertson. Samuel Adams. James Dunlap. James Mateer. Page 62 - John and James Caruthers. And John Carothers - 7th Jun 1768.
DS – March 6th 2013
What does everybody think about this will I found of Alice Carothers deceased with daughter Jane Carothers. Suzanne and Barbara’s (Family A033) – Virginia Jane Carothers would have been 14 in 1804. This means there should be a Orphan’s Docket entry for Jane. What makes this particularly interesting are the witnesses of the will. John and William Orr are of the foundering family of Orrstown. Orrstown is where Culbertson’s Row was, the point of origin for both Family A364 and A265 Culbertson collateral lines. It falls right into the time-frame I mentioned for a precipitating event leading to a migratory move and the proximity could not be closer at all to her closest y-DNA connections. Who is ALice’s husband?
Will of Alice Carothers.
Will of ALICE Carothers of East Pennsborough Tp Will book G page 91. To my two sons William & John, all my estate & also all my right to the personal estate of my son James, late deceased except what is hereinafter disposed of. to my daughters, Mary & Alice $2 each to my daughter Jane £150 etc etc Appoints two sons William & John Exrs Dated Nov 21, 1804 Alice (her mark) Carothers. Witness John Orr, Wm Orr, Proven Dec 17, 1811
DS – March 6th 2013 –
There were not that many people in Cumberland in 1750. At most 3,000 only 800 taxable. Any of these four below could be the grandfather of Virginia Jane Carothers of Family A033. There are not that many options. My opinion is she was born in Cumberland/Franklin, my have lived in Washtingon County (or not) prior to moving with her family to Ohio.
Also, there is a John Carothers in Hopewell Township in Cumberland County in 1751.
http://www.archive.org/stream/
And don’t forget William, Robert and James Carrithers listed in Cumberland County, PN in taxibles of East Pennsboro in 1750. John Adams listed as a freeman in East Pennsboro as well. http://www.archive.org/
This James above is probably the one mentioned here as well. It is discussing the new county boundaries when Cumberland was formed. http://www.archive.org/stream/
Here is documentation for how the townships in what would be Cumberland County changed and were prior to the 1886 map we have. They are quite different.
http://www.archive.org/stream/
Given when she was born I think the most likely cause for the move is death of the parents (or spouses parents). Assets are sold, money distributed and no land around to spend money on and the west opened up for most around 1795. So we are likely looking for a death between 1790 (to be safe) and 1820.
We need to do a thorough scan of the wills in Cumberland and Washington for both Donnelly and Carothers from 1770 to 1820. Below is what I have already. Finding and reading these wills is our best shot at finding documentation of Virginia Jane Caruthers/Carothers/Carrithers and Mary Donely/Donnelly. They were here I 99% sure. If we are really lucky thee will be a will and name them.
Wills in range to be relevant in Cumberland.
CAROTHERS, ALICE. December 17, 1804. G. 91.
CAROTHERS, ANDREW. March 14, 1817. H. 460-462.
CAROTHERS, ELIZABETH. January 26, 1825. I. 390-391.
CAROTHERS, GERARD. August 21, 1792. E. 264.
CAROTHERS, ISABELLA. February 16, 1799. F. 137.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. October 7, 1822. I. 259-260.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. 13 March 1783. D. 148-149.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. 8 August 1783. D. 172-173.
CAROTHERS, MARTIN. August 15, 1801. F. 231-232.
CAROTHERS, REBECCA. July 2, 1810. H. 47.
CAROTHERS, REBECKAH. March 7, 1800. F. 168.
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. A. 100-1.
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. January 25, 1794. I. 199.
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. January 25, 1794. E. 313.
CAROTHERS/CARITHERS, JEAN. 16 December 1783. D. 187-188.
CARROTHERS, ROBERT. 4 July 1771. B. 93-94.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. East Pennsborough. 13 March 1783. D. 148-149.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. Eastpensborough. 8 August 1783. D. 172-173.
CAROTHERS/CARITHERS, JEAN. East Pennsboro. 16 December 1783. D. 187-188.
CARUTHERS, WILLIAM. West Pennsborough. 21 January 1783. D. 132-135.
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. East Pennsborough. A. 100-1.
CARROTHERS, ROBERT. East Pennsborough. 4 July 1771. B. 93-94.
Wills in range to be relevant Washignton County.
Crothers, Emma M. Aug 9, 1911* Vol 25 P 506
Carothers, John Sept 23, 1840 Vol 5 P 596
Crothers, James Nov 11, 1846 Vol 6 P 459
Carothers, James Nov 26, 1852 Vol 7 P 259
Crothers, Robert Wylie Oct 8, 1920* Vol 34 P 190
Carothers, William Mch 13, 1811 Vol 2 P 302
Caruthers, William E. May 30, 1890* Vol 13 P 221
Crothers, W.B. Jany 19, 1907* Vol 22 P 306
DS 2-10-2013 – Found a Jane Carothers mentioned in Will of Alice Carothers. This is right near where the Adams in Famalies A265 and A364 are located in Falling Springs. Carlisle is the next town over. And in fact, Culbertson’s row is supposed to be in Orrstown PA – notice the two witnesses.
Written: November 21, 1804 Registrar’s Office, Carlisle, Pa.
Will of ALICE Carothers of East Pennsborough Tp Will book G page 91. To my two sons William & John, all my estate & also all my right to the personal estate of my son James, late deceased except what is hereinafter disposed of. to my daughters, Mary & Alice $2 each to my daughter Jane £150 etc etc Appoints two sons William & John Exrs Dated Nov 21, 1804 Alice (her mark) Carothers. Witness John Orr, Wm Orr, Proven Dec 17, 1811S 2-10-2013 – Here are the wills for Carothers in East and West Pennsboro.
Wills: Abstracts 1777-1785: Will Books C – D : Cumberland Co, PA
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. East Pennsborough. A. 100-1. CARROTHERS, ROBERT. East Pennsborough. 4 July 1771. B. 93-94.
CAROTHERS, JOHN. East Pennsborough. 13 March 1783. D. 148-149. CAROTHERS, JOHN. Eastpensborough. 8 August 1783. D. 172-173. CAROTHERS/CARITHERS, JEAN. East Pennsboro. 16 December 1783. D. 187-188. CARUTHERS, WILLIAM. West Pennsborough. 21 January 1783. D. 132-135.
DONALY, PHILIP. September 21, 1787. E. 114-115.
And the others in Cumberland County.
Wills: Index to Will Abstracts, A-Z Surnames: 1750 – 1825: Cumberland Co, PA
CAROTHERS, ALICE. December 17, 1804. G. 91. willbkg.txt
CAROTHERS, ANDREW. March 14, 1817. H. 460-462. willbkh.txt
CAROTHERS, ELIZABETH. January 26, 1825. I. 390-391. willbki.txt
CAROTHERS, GERARD. August 21, 1792. E. 264. willbke.txt
CAROTHERS, ISABELLA. February 16, 1799. F. 137. willbkf.txt
CAROTHERS, JOHN. October 7, 1822. I. 259-260. willbki.txt
CAROTHERS, JOHN. 13 March 1783. D. 148-149. willbkc-d.txt
CAROTHERS, JOHN. 8 August 1783. D. 172-173. willbkc-d.txt
CAROTHERS, MARTIN. August 15, 1801. F. 231-232. willbkf.txt
CAROTHERS, REBECCA. July 2, 1810. H. 47. willbkh.txt
CAROTHERS, REBECKAH. March 7, 1800. F. 168. willbkf.txt
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. A. 100-1. willbka-b.txt
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. January 25, 1794. I. 199. willbki.txt
CAROTHERS, WILLIAM. January 25, 1794. E. 313. willbke.txt
CAROTHERS/CARITHERS, JEAN. 16 December 1783. D. 187-188. willbkc-d.txt
CARROTHERS, ROBERT. 4 July 1771. B. 93-94. willbka-b.txt
Washington County Carothers Will index
Crothers, Emma M. Aug 9, 1911* Vol 25 P 506
Carothers, John Sept 23, 1840 Vol 5 P 596
Crothers, James Nov 11, 1846 Vol 6 P 459
Carothers, James Nov 26, 1852 Vol 7 P 259
Crothers, Robert Wylie Oct 8, 1920* Vol 34 P 190
Carothers, William Mch 13, 1811 Vol 2 P 302
Caruthers, William E. May 30, 1890* Vol 13 P 221
Crothers, W.B. Jany 19, 1907* Vol 22 P 306
From David to Suzanne – 3-6-2013
Suzanne, I don’t know that any of these Donnelly are specifically related to you but the are living in and around the Adams we have been researching in Cumberland and Franklin Counties in PA and two of them are the right age to be a sibling of your Mary Donely born 1788. I’d dig around these folks some and see what you can learn.
Thaddeous Donnelly – Southampton Township
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSvpid=46800679&GRid=25577919&
Co. D 130th Regt. Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry
In 1860, Thaddeus Donnelly was a moulder living in Southampton Township, Franklin County, and stood 5′ 4″ with light hair and gray eyesA Civil War veteran, he enlisted in Shippensburg August 4, 1862, and mustered into federal service at Harrisburg August 10 as a private with Co. D, 130th Pennsylvania Infantry. He was shot in the right side below the ribs at the battle of Antietam September 17, 1862, and furloughed home for treatment because, as one comrade alleged, “There was no place on the battlefield for the treatment of wounded soldiers.” He returned to duty in December 1862 but forwarded to Washington December 16 among a group of convalescents. Therefore, it is not known if he fought at Fredericksburg. He was honorably discharged with his company May 21, 1863.Throughout his pension papers, he signed his last name “Donely.”
Father of Thaddeous – John Donnelly (1804-1883) – Shippensburg Franklin County
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=64159430
John’s Father John Donnelly (1786-1783) – Carlisle Cumberpand County (right near our Adams connections). This person is the right age to be a brother to your Mary Donely born 1788.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=41198707
Sketch of John Donnelly Family – this doesn’t appear to be the same John as above but his father William is also the right age be a brother to your Mray Donely.
http://archive.org/details/biographicalanna00gene
Page 444
JOHN DONNELLY, one of the prominent citizens and a leading farmer of Middlesex township, and for twenty-five years a justice of the peace, was born Nov. 13. 1827. on his present farm. On the paternal side his ancestry is Irish, several generations back, but his father, William Donnelly, was born in Silver Spring township, Cumberland county. He settled on a farm which is now the property of his son Washington, and died there in 1863. In politics he was a Democrat.William Donnelly married Mary A.Brownwell, a daughter of Henry Brownwell, who died at the age of eighty-fouryears ; he married a Corman, and she lived to the age of ninety-four. The children of William and Mary A. Donnelly were as follows: Samuel of Bellville, Richland Co., Ohio; John, mentioned below ; Henry, who died in Cumberland county: William, deceased; Washington, of Middlessex township: Mary,Airs. Samuel Spangler, of Silver Spring township: Israel, an attorney at Mansfield, Ohio; and Annie, deceased, Mrs. John Burget.John Donnelly was instructed in the primary elements of his education in the subscription schools, in Silver Spring township, but family circumstances made it necessary for him to begin supporting himself while still a small boy. There is always plenty of work in a farming community, for a small who is honest and industrious, and he first received forty cents a day. Later he learned the tanning business with Joseph Shrum, of Carlisle, and was connected with that industry for ten years. After his marriage he lived at New Kingstown and worked at his trade with John Clendennin. He then built himself a residence, the first one erected at what is now known as Donnellytown, where he lived until 1878, at that time buying his present place from the heirs of his grandfather Brownwell ; this has been the family home ever since.On May 3, 1853, Air. Donnelly was marriedto Miss Sarah S. Gregg, daughter of William and Elizabeth (Bradley) Gregg, of Carlisle, who died in February, 1903. She is survived by her bereaved husband and the following children: Clara, Airs. John Alater, of Harrisburg; Emma, who first married Alorris Alater, and second Frank McCreary, of Harrisburg; and Charles J., of Cumberland county, who married Jennie Haymaker. In 1878 Mr. Donnelly was elected justice of the peace, an office he has held with efficiency and dignity for twenty-five consecutive years, giving great satisfaction, and disposing of an immense amount of business. In politics he has been a lifelong Democrat.
From David To: Suzanne
Tim and Suzanne,
I have not had time to figure out the connection yet but I feel pretty confident there is one, here is I know so far and what I think it means.
- This Robert Adams (1810 – 1879) and his wife Martha Eleanor Clark have children with middle name Crothers. Usually an indication of a mother or grand mothers maiden name. There are two with such designations in the offspring. Well worth digging further for sure.
- Robert Adams (1810-1879) appears to be buried next to his father Robert Adams (27 Dec 1769 – 15 Jan 1843) married to Sarah Douglas.
- This Robert Adams (1769 – 1843) appears to be son of Halbert Adams (The Elder) died abt. 20th of Jan 1779 in Toboyne Cumberland County PA – Admin letter attached naming William Adams (most likely a son) and William Blaine (I assume son-in-law or neighbor most likely).
- Toboyne is right next to where we find the Culbertsons and Adams of families A265 and A364. This area has a ton of CaruthersCrothers as well many very early as evidence in East and West Pennsboro. Several Adams in these areas had sureties as Caruthers/Crothers. Not sure what a surety is exactly – I think it is a witness.
- There are about 80-100 Adams in Toboyne to sort out. David, Robert, William, James, Halberts, Thomas – http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-
bin/fg.cgi?page=gsr&GScid= 2203877 – Our next be task is to sort this mess out. 🙂 I’ve started trying to do that in the attached excel file via land entires and wills – next up cemetery records. - Many of these Adams in Toboyne early got their land the same day – 9th Sep. 1766 as David and William Adams of family A364. Some in 1760 at the same time (prob brothers) right after the Indian War moved out of this area in 1760. Some in 1764.
- Most importantly Suzanne’s family is almost a perfect match at 25 markers to family A364 – one mutation or step off. Closer than mine and my Adams collateral line of Culbertson is intermarried with them twice in the same generation and they moved to Washington PA together in 1795. Assuming Suzanne upgraded to a 67 marker test and she it shows only 1-2 markers difference at 67 (think it will be 2 or less) then you have a 95% chance of common ancestor within 8 generations – this is the time frame we are looking at with an extremely high level of confidence. Her ancestor is here in my opinion.
- The path to the place in Greenfield, Highland County, Ohio is almost directly west on a primary road from – guess where? Washington, Washington County PA. This is where Family A364 and A265 moved in 1795. This is the next area to check out after Toboyne. This might be coincidence in migration path but don’t forget the Adams, Culbertson, Chambers and their allied families all lived and fought through the worst of the Indian Wars. And they knew each other and likely made the venture west together for protection at a time when they felt it was safer (after 1795).
- Suzanne’s David and William (brothers) were born in 1788 and 1791 in PA. Most likely Cumberland County but could have been Washington County prior to heading into Ohio and eventually Iowa. They may have lived in Washington, County prior to coming to Ohio but prob a few years after they were born.
- Suzanne’s ancestors clearly stayed in Ohio for a while as many of the Children of David Adams born 1788 were born in Ohio. I’m guessing in or around Greenfield. I could be off base but there are a lot of connections here. Seems like like Suzanne’s David (born 1788) might be a child of brothers of Robert in #3 above if I had to guess. Not sure at this moment. Not enough info.
I think Thomas (The Pioneer) father of Halbert (the Elder) is brother of Robert (The Pioneer) and James (The Pioneer). Thomas was in “The Narrows” of Paxton with in 1750 and had a “fort” for protection on Indian raids. He is a witness on the will of John Chambers will in 1756. Thomas has a son, Robert born in 1744 who was in the Boquet Expedition deep into Ohio in 1764 an is scalped with a Culbertson in the service as a patriot in the American revolution in 1776. He has other sons too according to a few trees, I just have not sorted it out yet with any evidence.
Other evidence we have on this line.
- Halbert the Elder has Son William. William has a Son Halbert. And it appear Halbert himself may have a son Halbert as there is one listed in Toboyne in the 1779 Tax list (just depends on when that list was made I guess if it is Halbert the Elder or son).
- There is a record of a Halbert Adams born in 1730 married an Agnes Blain (herself born in 1750) in 1770. Not sure if this Halbert the Elder or son of Halbert Elder. Cannot be Halbert the grandson (via William). It seems like there may be an issue of confusion about which Halbert married Agnes Blain to me but it could be the Elder I guess. A 20 year gap is pretty large but not out of the question.
To: Suzanne Davis , Timothy Adams
Suzanne, have you seen this mention of James Caruther’s Plantation before? Right age to be Jane Caruthers grandfather.
http://www.archive.org/stream/historytopograph00ru#page/349/mode/1up
From: David Scifres Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:09 PM
To: Suzanne Davis, Timothy Adams
Suzanne, there is also a William, Robert and James Carrithers listed in Cumberland County, PN in taxibles of East Pennsboro in 1750.
http://www.archive.org/stream/historytopograph00ru#page/360/mode/1up
From: Suzanne Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM
To: David Scifres
Cc: Barbara Roden
Thanks David, I haven’t seen this before. Further down the page there is a listing for a John Adams, interesting. I looked through some of the other chapters and I think this book bear further study.
Suzanne